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mn757
Coventry
376 of 1660  Sun 4th Nov 2012 1:21pm  

Wow, that was quick! Thanks Dutchman, it's good to know where it was. Smile Martin.
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scrutiny
coventry
377 of 1660  Sun 4th Nov 2012 1:31pm  

What else do you expect from the Dutchman, Smile
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dutchman
Spon End
378 of 1660  Sun 4th Nov 2012 3:45pm  

The sad thing is that section of Much Park Street had already been destroyed before I moved into the area so I never got to see any of it in real life. Likewise St John Street Sad
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TEKMELF
HAWKESBURY
379 of 1660  Sun 4th Nov 2012 5:16pm  

I believe next door to the White Hart was a general store run by the Howes. A couple of doors further on was a butchers shop over which my grandma lived in a flat. No electricity, just gas lamps with mantles, an open fire with a range which had a permanently boiling kettle and a gas accumulator type battery to power the wireless. This battery was taken over the road to a shop next to the Admiral Lord Rodney to be recharged. There was also a cafe called the Dew Drop Inn which was the favourite haunt of cyclists going to Stokes the cycle shop.
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dutchman
Spon End
380 of 1660  Sun 4th Nov 2012 5:56pm  

Thanks for sharing that Tekmelf, very interesting Cheers
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anne
coventry
381 of 1660  Sun 4th Nov 2012 6:17pm  

Yes, Tekmelf-fascinating! Thankyou Wave
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Foxcote
Warwick
382 of 1660  Fri 16th Nov 2012 4:18pm  

I have found details of the sale of The Star and Raven in 1837 with other properties being sold at the same time in the city, I like reading such details because it gives descriptions of the interiors and rental terms etc. There are various points relating to the linked article that I can't seem to fathom and hoped someone could help. The sale was the 'life interest' of Thomas Grimes Roberts, aged twenty six years? Misprint or what? I can't find much detail for him at all in the BMD's, obits in the papers, obviously not the census if he had died before 1837. I did find a marriage at St. Michael, 30th November 1836 to a Sarah Smart? Being a 'man of substance', I thought he would be easy to trace and just thought he would be an interesting person to learn about and his business interests in the City. It mentions a 'Grimes Court' as well. I wondered if anyone has heard of him before or could fill in some more information of him and buildings he owned.
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dutchman
Spon End
383 of 1660  Fri 16th Nov 2012 5:53pm  

Almost nothing is known about the exact location of the "Star and Raven", we can only assume it was renamed at some time? Am unable to find "Grime's Court" on any map either. The "Sign of the Harp" is almost certainly a reference to the Welch Harp at 24 Market Street. Few people could read in those days so pubs were identified by painted signs or unusual objects.
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Foxcote
Warwick
384 of 1660  Fri 16th Nov 2012 7:08pm  

Thanks Dutchman, the Star and Raven seemed to be the 'Old Star' in the 1841 census and the 'Old Star' yard. The article states that Grimes Court was opposite the Star and Raven. I'll have a look at some more articles concerning licensees and see what comes up.
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dutchman
Spon End
385 of 1660  Fri 16th Nov 2012 8:22pm  

That one was in Earl Street Foxcote and is well documented. Smile
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Foxcote
Warwick
386 of 1660  Mon 19th Nov 2012 8:58am  

I found a reference to the Grimes/Smithford Street interest of mine in an article. In 1819, one of the chief Coaching Offices was Grimes Liquor Shop in Smithford Street. One of the coaches, 'The Retaliator' stopped there at 6pm every evening. Mr Grimes would have had a good business.
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Foxcote
Warwick
387 of 1660  Mon 19th Nov 2012 3:17pm  

The estate of Thomas Grimes Roberts mentions 'The Leopard' at 64 Smithford Street, I wonder if that had been the Star and Raven?
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dutchman
Spon End
388 of 1660  Mon 19th Nov 2012 4:15pm  

It's extremely likely Foxcote given that a) The Welsh (Welch) Harp is also mentioned as part of the same estate and b) The only wine & spirits merchants I could find in Smithford Street was directly opposite the Leopard at 8a and had a yard attached to it! (Most likely the eponymous "Grimes' Yard"). Smile Good find Foxcote
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Foxcote
Warwick
389 of 1660  Mon 19th Nov 2012 4:55pm  

There's a bit more Dutchman and it's mentioning an 'Ensor Yard' and I am getting a bit confused. The Herbert has some papers referring to the Star and Raven but they can't be accessed online. I've seen Thomas Grimes, Auctioneer, in the old papers, and discounted it but it is indeed him. According to a newpaper cutting, his auctioneer's office was next door to The Leopard in 1827.
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dutchman
Spon End
390 of 1660  Mon 19th Nov 2012 5:57pm  

It all points to it being the Leopard, it even mentions the malt house being at the back Smile
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