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Tamworth
196 of 204  Tue 6th Feb 2024 2:45pm  

This August 14th 1993. Both articles are from the CET
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NeilsYard
Coventry
197 of 204  Sun 17th Mar 2024 10:31am  

Another Cooper Collection cracker - looking at Bull Ring -
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William Knights
Manchester
198 of 204  Wed 20th Nov 2024 11:19am  

I have been playing around with image to video AI tools again and thought I would share another of Butchers Row. This one was from the colourised photo, which does make it look more life like, however there are definitely some strange leg movements are going on. Still quite impressive though and for now it is the closest we can get to actually experiencing it. Here is the link. A few weekends back I headed over to Salford Art gallery and discovered a recreation of a Victorian cobbled street. Lark Hill Place was originally created in 1957 when may shops and houses in central Salford were being demolished to make way for new developments. Many of the shop fronts were saved and restored, with the interiors furnished and packed full of authentic objects from the museum collection. Perhaps there was a missed opportunity back in 1936 to preserve Coventry's medieval rows?
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Helen F
Warrington
199 of 204  Wed 20th Nov 2024 1:41pm  

Double thumbs up Excellent. Perhaps a better effect would be from an empty photo with superimposed people? Coventry had the opportunity to be spectacular but not unreasonably had other priorities at the time. It's true that Butchers Row fell to road building but it was the lure of the modern and efficient. Coventry was very behind the times. Other cities had already seen their pokey streets demolished by the Georgians and acquired a more modern structure, capable of taking cars. They were originally going to preserve the east side of the street but since they would have to knock large parts of the Cross Cheaping/Butcher Row triangle down someone had the bright idea to clear the lot and build a super dooper department store, Owen Owen, which pushed the road closer to the Holy Trinity. It did open up the view of Holy Trinity, which would have been framed by two modern Tudor style buildings (the Prudential and what is now Wetherspoons) and the timber building on the corner of Derby Lane was to be restored. Smithford Street and the High Street were seeing old timber buildings spruced up and new ones like the White Lion built. A bit longer and the city could have retained a decent number of ancient buildings but the war wiped those feelings out. Spon Street or Gosford Street could have been stocked with survivors but another modernisation bug took the town planners and the rest, as they say, is history.
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William Knights
Manchester
200 of 204  Wed 20th Nov 2024 3:50pm  

Thanks Helen I was not aware of the thoughts around leaving the some buildings in place, and more widely across the city. Do you know where would be the best place to find more information on the pre-war plans at all? Obviously Broadgate was widened over the centuries, again is there any information, besides the street plans and engravings/drawings already mentioned on this site?
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Helen F
Warrington
201 of 204  Wed 20th Nov 2024 4:08pm  

We know that they changed their original plan for Trinity Street because of the map on Rob's site that shows the original route. There was no provision for Owen Owen. I believe that it was the council that purchased the properties, including those in Cross Cheaping, not Owen Owen. There will be minutes and plans somewhere in the Herbert Archives here. I know something of what was being demolished and what was being tidied up through picture evidence only. By the same evidence we know what survived the war but isn't there now. What they saved on Spon Street was a mere fraction. There is a map of pre widening Broadgate from about 1820 on Coventry Digital, with various businesses mentioned. I recently bought two etchings of areas that were later demolished for roads, a Hill Street Court demolished for Corporation Street and part of Much Park Street demolished to make way for Short Street. Most of Dr Troughton's work was about catching stuff that was scheduled for demolition and Sydney Bunney did something similar.
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Helen F
Warrington
202 of 204  Wed 20th Nov 2024 4:27pm  

One good source of the plans for slum clearances were the Health Reports which you can find here. I don't recall mention of Cross Cheaping or Butcher Row, probably because they were in better condition or because they weren't homes.
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Gumnut
Berridale NSW Australia
203 of 204  Thu 21st Nov 2024 7:06am  

On 20th Nov 2024 1:41pm, Helen F said: Double thumbs up Excellent. Perhaps a better effect would be from an empty photo with superimposed people? Coventry had the opportunity to be spectacular but not unreasonably had other priorities at the time. It's true that Butchers Row fell to road building but it was the lure of the modern and efficient. Coventry was very behind the times. Other cities had already seen their pokey streets demolished by the Georgians and acquired a more modern structure, capable of taking cars. They were originally going to preserve the east side of the street but since they would have to knock large parts of the Cross Cheaping/Butcher Row triangle down someone had the bright idea to clear the lot and build a super dooper department store, Owen Owen, which pushed the road closer to the Holy Trinity. It did open up the view of Holy Trinity, which would have been framed by two modern Tudor style buildings (the Prudential and what is now Wetherspoons) and the timber building on the corner of Derby Lane was to be restored. Smithford Street and the High Street were seeing old timber buildings spruced up and new ones like the White Lion built. A bit longer and the city could have retained a decent number of ancient buildings but the war wiped those feelings out. Spon Street or Gosford Street could have been stocked with survivors but another modernisation bug took the town planners and the rest, as they say, is history.
I cannot but see the irony of this thinking when these old pokey street are now tourist attractions for town where they still survive.
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PhiliPamInCoventry
Holbrooks
204 of 204  Thu 21st Nov 2024 10:52am  

Hello, It's simply a discussion & expression of ideas trying to come to terms with the past. Some like sugar, some don't.
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