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NeilsYard
Coventry
241 of 250  Fri 22nd Mar 2024 11:22am  

Actually Robs Pubs Entry states it was from "The Building News" magazine, Jan. 19, 1894. Rob I think I found the original Pic of that print on FB - can you recall where the info about The Building News came from? A copy of that will be on the 'hunt' list! Big grin
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NeilsYard
Coventry
242 of 250  Fri 22nd Mar 2024 11:53am  

Helen there are online copies of the publication available to view here - sadly the 1894 copy is not included though but a lot to sift through!
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Helen F
Warrington
243 of 250  Fri 22nd Mar 2024 12:35pm  

Thanks for that Neil. I have collected a few of the relevant pages of Building News over the years but not this one. There are other pages from 1894 on Ebay but someone else must have snapped up Cook Street. Increasingly old books and magazines are being sliced up to offer individual pages to interested buyers. It's sometimes possible and even cost effective to buy the whole thing, but this is a rarity. Somewhere there might be an oil painting or maybe it has been destroyed. I shall have a look to see if there is anything else I'm missing.
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Rob Orland
Historic Coventry
244 of 250  Sat 23rd Mar 2024 10:52am  

On 22nd Mar 2024 11:22am, NeilsYard said: Actually Robs Pubs Entry states it was from "The Building News" magazine, Jan. 19, 1894. Rob I think I found the original Pic of that print on FB - can you recall where the info about The Building News came from? A copy of that will be on the 'hunt' list! Big grin
Ah, I've just searched in my "pub resources" folder, and I'd noted that it was Bill Sutton on Facebook in February 2022 who allowed us to use that fantastic picture from the Building News. It would indeed be great to see the original.
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Rob Orland
Historic Coventry
245 of 250  Sun 24th Mar 2024 7:44pm  

I've just finished doing a thing.... hopefully a good thing! In place of the hand-drawn (by mouse!) map of the City Wall, which I did around 20 years ago, I've now plotted the wall onto a Google Map, which has hopefully several advantages, among which are: 1. It's zoomable and scalable. 2. It won't go out of date (so long as Google keeps doing its thing). 3. It's far more accurate. 4. If you're "walking the wall" with this map on a 'phone, you can click a "Show my location" button and see your location, so you'll easily find each part of the wall. I've only just uploaded it, so if anyone spots any flaws or bugs, please let me know. Smile https://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/covmaps/wall-in-modern-cov.php
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Helen F
Warrington
246 of 250  Sun 24th Mar 2024 8:26pm  

Double thumbs up Double thumbs up Double thumbs up Double thumbs up Very cool, though I dispute the bit at Hill Street. See comment 9 of How old is that building here.. It does away with the need for that odd wiggle before following Bond Street. You've missed marking in red the surviving bit of wall south of Spon Gate. Blush Rob tells me that it is a repro and not part of the wall at all. We learn something new every day. Smile
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NeilsYard
Coventry
247 of 250  Mon 25th Mar 2024 12:23pm  

Nice one Rob! We need to do that Wall Walk now Spring has Sprung!
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Rob Orland
Historic Coventry
248 of 250  Mon 25th Mar 2024 6:50pm  

On 24th Mar 2024 8:26pm, Helen F said: Double thumbs up Double thumbs up Double thumbs up Double thumbs up Very cool, though I dispute the bit at Hill Street. See comment 9 of How old is that building here.. It does away with the need for that odd wiggle before following Bond Street.
Fantastic work, Helen, thank you. I should've taken more notice of that drawing you linked to, but I was so absorbed creating the map! And after further reading in the book "For So Long As the World Shall Endure - The 500 Year History of Bond's and Ford's Almshouses", it does indeed state that the northern wing of the almshouse (the part with the 'wall' embedded into it) was only added in 1816, so before that it would have looked like your image, above. Smile Anyway, I've now updated / corrected the route of the wall on the Google map, thank you again. Double thumbs up
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Helen F
249 of 250  Mon 25th Mar 2024 9:05pm  
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Helen F
Warrington
250 of 250  Sun 21st Apr 2024 10:52am  

One of the hardest areas of wall to identify is up near the top of Bishop Street. Not only is the true location of the gate unknown but there was a magazine tower, (a tower to store weapons and protective gear) to the east of that. As one of the first areas to be developed outside the city wall, after the Civil War, it has been particularly knocked about. It's not even 100% clear on the Board of Health map. I'm wondering if the curious situation of this row of cottages (below) off Leicester Street might indicate where the ditch was? Was it partially sunk into the ditch (which was only about 7-9ft deep) or was the area next to it built up from wall debris or a bit of both? I can't think of another reason for the stark change in level. Was the front end of the cottages initially free of the built up road? If correct, this would be very useful pinning the wall down at that spot. The BoH map suggests that the wall was under the edge of the buildings on the left, but it's always good to question the map makers' assumptions. That then begs the question, where was the ditch that fronted the gate and the most logical answer would be under the road and the buildings on the southern edge that fronted it. The road in that area is far closer to where the wall would have been than any other part I can think of, except roads that were built over ditches, after the Civil War, eg Gulson Road. Was the junction of St Nicholas Street, Leicester Street and King Street moved after the ditch was filled in? Or just made much bigger? I've a niggling feeling that I've read that there wasn't a ditch there but I don't see why it wouldn't have had one. Certainly any road would have been much narrower than it was by 1850 and could have fitted north of a ditch if pushed to the most northerly edge of the road we could see before the Ring Road.
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