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Annewiggy
Tamworth |
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Thu 23rd May 2024 8:26pm
I still keep getting drawn back to 8 Clements Street ! Apparently there were some properties damaged in Clements Street. The brickwork on those 4 houses looks a lot more modern than a lot of the other houses so if they were rebuilt in a similar but slightly different style to previous. I also keep getting drawn back to the step where they are standing and the 2 rows of bricks underneath which could be from the original. Pure conjecture I know and I am happy to be corrected.
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PhiliPamInCoventry
Holbrooks |
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Thu 23rd May 2024 9:51pm
On 23rd May 2024 6:09pm, 20A-Manor House said:
Thank you for that. You make our forum fluid & vibrant. Even where two sources of info appear to contradict each other we can iron it out.
Brill.
Ps. We do hope you were able to keep dry as best you could yesterday.On 23rd May 2024 9:28am, PhiliPamInCoventry said:
Hello,
The Destination blind on the six wheeler, shows No3, Stoke Alermoor. Marlborough Rd, was the route of the No3, at one time, as it picked up from the former Hillman factory at the Hood St end of Lower Ford St, then the Humber offices (that became Lloyds bank) in Gosford Green, before turning right into Marlborough Rd, off Ball Hill.
The description "Shadow Factory" at this point in time was Humber Rd. The Ryton plant was the Shadow Factory during the second world war.
The current route of the No3 involving Charter Ave, started as early as 1931, so whether a workers special was retained using the original route I cannot find info. Certainly, the route via Marlborough Rd, had been abandoned by 1937. There are no pictures that I can find of the six wheelers after 1933.
A bit of confusion, because the new transport manager stated that in September 1935, the then current terminus of the No3 would be extended from Stoke Green, to Stoke Aldermoor. There's a bit of contradiction in the source's of info.
The date of the accident was Wednesday 1st March 1939.
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Langtonian
Coventry |
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Fri 24th May 2024 12:14am
Like others, I'm sure, I've been looking at the Stoke area on street view with no success.
The lintels are distinctive and must be the main clue, also of interest is that there are 7 courses of brick work between the top of the downstairs window and the sill of the upstairs window, nearly all of the houses have only 6 courses. Another clue is that, if you look at the pavement just visible at the very bottom edge of the photo, is that the street looks like it's sloping down from left to right. There are also steps leading up to the door. There are a couple of houses on Newcombe Road in Earlsdon that are candidates - numbers 90 and 94. The lintels are a perfect match and there is the required 7 courses of brick work between the windows. There is also a step down to the pavement which slopes the right way. |
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Rob Orland
Historic Coventry |
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Fri 24th May 2024 9:51am
Ooh, I like that, Langtonian, well spotted! I'd not ventured anywhere near Earlsdon, but can I assume you mean properties like this? I see it also has a continuous stone "cill" level with the upstair window cill. This moves into first place so far, I think!
And may I also give many thanks to all of you, who have spent far more time than I'd intended on this puzzle. I'm astonished by the number of posts it's generated!  |
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Annewiggy
Tamworth |
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Fri 24th May 2024 10:54am
Another picture in CD by Stoke Portrait Co Lythalls Lane |
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Langtonian
Coventry |
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Fri 24th May 2024 10:06pm
I've only had a look at the Stoke and Earlsdon areas and these two houses in Newcombe Road are the only ones that fully match the characteristics of our mystery house, there are some similar ones in nearby Poplar Road but they have 6 (not 7) courses of brickwork between the windows. Obviously other areas, mainly Foleshill, will need to be checked in case something is lurking there. I would be interested in seeing the 1911 census returns for 90 and 94 Newcombe Road to see if either match the family in the picture. |
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Annewiggy
Tamworth |
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Sat 25th May 2024 10:47am
Hi Langtonian. In 1911 there is just a Mr & Mrs Hopkins living at no 90 and at 94 there is Charles William Frances aged 46 his wife Elizabeth aged 45, Ada 19, Percy 13 and Lizzie 10. That would fit if the picture was perhaps taken earlier in the 1900's. Charles was a watch finisher at home, so his clothes would fit as well.
Newcombe Road does not appear to have been built until the end if the 1900's |
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Annewiggy
Tamworth |
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Sat 25th May 2024 12:00pm
I have found somebody on Ancestry who has the Francis family on his tree, I have contacted him. |
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Helen F
Warrington |
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Sat 25th May 2024 12:03pm
Yes, very little south of the railway lines but north of Earlsdon Lane had be laid out, let alone built by 1906. I note that the twisty lane joining the Hearsall Common and Styvichall Common was renamed Beechwood Avenue from its original Whor Lane. That was the southern boundary of Earlsdon at the time. |
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Rob Orland
Historic Coventry |
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Sat 25th May 2024 2:09pm
I think that with photographer George Bott not appearing in Coventry for the 1911 or 1921 census, and his pictures as Stoke Portrait Co. only appearing in the newspapers from September 1912 until April 1913, he was probably only active here for a very short period, which probably narrows down the time-frame for that family portrait to around that time. |
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JohnnieWalker
Sanctuary Point, Australia |
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Sat 25th May 2024 9:38pm
On 25th May 2024 10:47am, Annewiggy said:
Charles was a watch finisher at home, so his clothes would fit as well.
Anne
I'm often astonished at your powers of observation, but to be able to tell, from an old photo, that he has well-fitting clothes is surely exceptional! Was it the labels that gave it away?  True Blue Coventry Kid
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Annewiggy
Tamworth |
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Sat 25th May 2024 10:10pm
Ha ha, probably did not word it very well. Just meant that the clothes he was wearing for work suited the occupation of watch finisher working from home.rather than a factory worker. |
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Langtonian
Coventry |
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Sat 25th May 2024 10:44pm
I'm afraid we are no further forward. Closer examination of 94 Newcombe Road shows that the brickwork is wrong. Number 90 has tantalisingly been rendered so we can't check the bricks but the 1911 occupants don't match. We need to find other houses that were built by the same builder. |
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argon
New Milton |
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Sun 26th May 2024 12:25am
Would it be productive to trace a family fitting the indivduals in the photo in the 1911 census for Clement Street to eliminate that area as the location for the photo. Unfortunately I do not have access to Ancestry to check for myself. |
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Annewiggy
Tamworth |
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Sun 26th May 2024 11:52am
Sorry, I keep getting drawn back to 8 Clements Street ! Rob, does it say any more on the back of the picture, would it be possible to have a shot of it ? I still feel that the block of houses were in some stage rebuilt, newer brickwork and the line of fancy brickwork does not appear in any other in the street. There was bomb damage in Clements Street as there is a file on Coventry Collections of photographs. Also a petition was raised in 1957 asking for something to be done about the bomb site on the corner of Villiers Street and Clements Street. All obviously conjecture again ! Whatever, I still think it must be in the Stoke area as almost all the pictures I have seen by that photographer, even the ones in Coventry Graphic are in that area. |
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