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The problem is multi-fold and mired in countless political minefields. There is a solution but it requires a society wide will to reset problems rather than bolt on endless small fixes, which in turn generate more flaws.

My daughter was taught the ITA system when she first started at school, words were spelt how they sounded some using funny letters. How any child could spell after that I don't know. Fortunately we went abroad. The system in Luxembourg was completely different. Alan at pre school was given a small black board and a white crayon and had to do rows of a shape joined together. At the infant school Janice had the same board and was given letters to do the same. When they got better they were then allowed to use paper and pencil. They were given groups of letters at a time and their reading book advanced with the same letters. (French!) so eventualy she could after the 2 years we were there do nice joined up writing. When we returned back to England. She started back at school. I was called in one day and told that she could not do joined up writing as the other children wanted to do it. Another disadvantage I found for kids of that era was that digital watches had come in. It was some time before I realised that they could not tell the time on an analogue clock ! Looking at the present time I have spoken to a couple of teenagers at secondary school who say they don't like maths. Have you looked at the maths they teach them now. I realise that some do want to go on into jobs that will require it but surely there could be a level that could use the time better and be taught maths that woukd be more useful in the day to day world. Basic stuff so they can add up their change in shops. Money management and about interest when you borrow. Nit the sort of stuff my granddaughter will say, why do I need that ?

I was started on ITA, as was my brother. It messed him up big time but I can't say that I noticed the difference. I was bad at spelling both but had no trouble reading either. I'd read most things, so long as they weren't boring. I didn't learn to spell until the Sinclair QL. It had a very early word processor with a noisy, irritating spell checker. Not only could I read what I'd written (unlike my own handwriting) but the beep it made when I got something wrong taught my fingers how to spell. I still can't spell out words but mostly I can type them.

I am not very good at spelling which is why I prefer working with numbers. I can spell big words it is mostly things like should it be ee or ea or should there be an e before a y. Yes thank goodness for spell checker, especially on my ipad which seems to put different letters in to what I type, most likely because I don't hit the keys in the middle. You may spot that sometimes in my posts 😡 (even that came out as pists ! My brothers are dreadful spellers. My older brother had sosaj on one of his camping trips !

Fortunately, I was taught to read before I started school by mother using the rhyming couplets that accompanied the Rupert Bear cartoon in the Daily Express. My motivation was to be able to read the exploits of Dan Dare in my elder brother's Eagle comic before he returned from school and confiscated it. Writing was taught using individual blackboards and chalk at Richard Lee Infants that I only attended for a few months before becoming ill with polio. After recovering from illness (thank the Lord) I returned to schooling at Stoke Infants, Briton Road where we were allowed pencil and paper. My diet changed from chalk to wood because I have the unconscious tendency to eat what ever is is my hand while thinking what to write. (ATM it is a 25 cl bottle of 'St Omer biere blonde' and I have not yet managed to master consuming glass.) Perhaps using phonetics has inhibited me learning the visual pattern recognition ability that is necessary to master spelling irregular words.

Reminded me of the Rupert Bear rhyming couplets - I loved those stories and they were possibly what kick-started my interest in poetry. It fell dormant through my teens but was revived in spades when Pam Ayres came along! Incidentally, I recently wrote a short play in verse, which won a competition, and the professional who directed it explained that the amateur actors loved it because the rhyming made it so much easier to remember their lines. Our brains must be tuned in somehow to enjoy hearing rhyming.

JW,

I'm sorry for the rest of you, but this is my kind of summer weather.

I'd never heard of ITA, so I had to bing it. Judging by other people's comments, I'm rather glad we didn't do it. It seems like another of those things that's supposed to simplify, but ends up complicating things. A bit like those foreign alphabets that are full of unintelligible squiggles that all look the same to me. Thake Thai, for instance - hundreds of squiggles, with 60 or 70 characters on a line, all together, with no spaces anywhere! How anyone is supposed to understand that is beyond my brain. And I was gifted and top in languages at school. But those languages all used the normal alphabet. And only 23 characters in Latin. I'm glad we had to learn, as kiddywinks, silly songs like Betty Botter bought some butter. I can still recite it very fast. Easy when you learn it young, and to a tune, and it rhymes. Advertisers know this - "you wonder where the yellow went, when you brush your teeth with Pepsident". I was proud, aged 5, that I could read the first chapter of our new "red book" before teacher could teach it us. The whole chapter was:

Hello, The story of The Little Red Hen, was also in the Beacon reader books. Think book four. It was possibly watching my mum working her shop stuff out in our front room, where our front room in Sewall Highway was breakfast room in the morning & meal times, but was mum's office several times in a week. Her calculating machines fascinated me, as she balanced her books & stock levels, not that I knew anything of that at age 4. That's one of the reasons that I honestly believe that the Psychology folk have got it right regards the ages of children's learning. I was fascinated with anything working remotely like my mum's mechanical calculators. My Uncle playing the Gaumont organ, where the piano was playing on its own. My career was based on caculating, whilst my music hobby likewise on mechanical coupling, where we can also throw in our railway. My dominating interests had been set before my age of 7.

Probably the first book I remember is the Magic Fish - fantasy, so yes, it was a reflection of my future self. Moral of the story, stop when you've got the castle... "Oh, fish in the sea, come listen to me. My wife begs a wish from the magic fish"

Hello, The world is in chaos regards weather, not a corner left out. There is also criticism of our national weather statisticians who may have moved the goal posts claming that May was exceptionally warm. I burnt more energy heating our home in May than previous years, plus the energy companies are reporting similar nationally. Some celebrity weather folk have shared some ums & arrs hoping it will all die down. Slight risk of a shower today, but a much drier week than last week in prospect. Possibly a bit warmer later & into next week, but definite forecasting by all of the kings horses or his men can not be relied on.

I too have strong concerns that there are fingers on the scales when it comes to modern measurements.

Hello, I'm grateful for our Friendly Chat topic. For me it's just as though you are sat in my lounge here, or me in yours, only when I've had a shower, or we are sat in a Coventry hotel, supping a wee dram or I'll have half. Pass the port, please. Anyway, A trend in modern minds is what I call a tic-box, mentality. I've mentioned this before, but I would love to hear feed back on this, because maybe I'm wrong. It's as though reason or the ability to reason is disappearing fast. I first noticed it in education policy, maybe the end of the seventies. It's now in every aspect of society, including sport. The international game that I was listening to just earlier is a classic example, as was the recent Coventry game, where a judgement was made on a computer model, where the computer cannot measure "Intent". I'm concentrating on the fibre of reason in what I'm posting here. Not the specific examples or outcomes whatever. Have we or are we fast losing the ability to reason? I honestly believe that we are. I'm touching on the conversation that we were having recently about education in this, because that's where I believe this scenario starts. I mean every word of my appreciation about our forum. It's not sentimental. It's not a cover for me to post dodgy material. It's our living forum, that's vibrant, respectful, where no matter where we are, we are all learning. I believe that on its own makes our forum unique. Yes, I'm so proud to be a part.

I wonder if you watched the Christmas lectures about AI Philip. It was very interesting and being aimed at children it is easier to understand, but one of the things they kept pointing out when demonstrating what AI can do is to point out it cannot have original thoughts, it is all about it learning data. I imagine that these computers are based on something similar. They are programmed with the rules and that is it but it does take the interest out of the game.